Showing posts with label Old Dublin Society. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Old Dublin Society. Show all posts

Thursday, August 24, 2017

WATSON'S NURSERIES KILLINEY


SO MANY SWEET FLOWERS
From Clontarf to Killiney
Watson's Nurseries - 1884 to 1967

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In the Dublin City Library and Archive, on 23 August 2007, Bernadine Ruddy, President of the Old Dublin Society, gave a well researched talk on Watson's Nurseries, in the presence of Watson family members.

This is a topic which has not been fully researched up to now.

For example, in my Google searches relating to it I came across this suggestion: that it was called watsons after someone called Mr Watson was murdered there.

Fake news indeed, but enough to provoke a researcher into doing the job right. I'm not sure if Bernadine was aware of this suggestion but her talk will certainly put it to bed in short order.



Bernadine Ruddy

Actually she told us that her initial interest was in the original Watson's Nursery in Clontarf (1884 - 1912) and that she ended up in Killiney (1912 - 1967) purely as a result following the nurseries' move southside.

The Clontarf site of 13 acres eventually became too small for the business but there was no room for expansion. Then in 1912 the 148 acre Kilbogget Farm out Killiney way came up for sale and Watsons jumped at it. The transition took some eight years so it was 1920 before the new nurseries were up to speed.



I should lay one controversy to rest here before I'm dragged into it.

Bono lives in the townland of Killiney, which is within the area of the old Township (subsequently Urban District Council) of Killiney, which, in turn, is within the old civil parish of Killiney.

Watsons is on Kilbogget townland, which is not within the townland of Killiney nor within the old Township of Killiney, but it is within the civil parish of Killiney.

So the description of Watson's Nurseries Killiney is perfectly legitimate. Watson's Nurseries Ballybrack is not. So there.



The original William Watson came over from Scotland but he didn't seem to have had any horticultural training. Apparently Scottish gardeners were much in demand in those days as they were very well trained and could turn their hand to many different aspects of horticulture. Some of these were employed by Watsons.

The nurseries thrived and were held in very high regard. Their produce, apart from supplying the traditional home market, began to be substituted for former imports and was itself exported, mainly to the UK.

By the mid 1960s, with the onset of economic expandion, the price of land in the area rocketed and the Watsons eventually decided to call it a day.

The nurseries' land was sold to Gallaghers builders who then built what is known today as the Watson estate. At least the housing development preserved the Watson name for posterity.



In the QáA which followed the talk it emerged that there were former employees of the nurseries in the audience and we got some anecdotes from them.

It appeared that women from the city centre had become entitled by right to come and pick shamrock at the nurseries, no doubt in the run up to St. Patrick's day, and a lot of them turned up to claim their prizes.

One man in the audience identified himself as having done a paper on the nurseries for the Foxrock Historical Club some time back (Thomas Ruddock?) and Bernadine gave him credit saying she had read it and drawn on it for her talk.

It reminded me of the time I was giving a talk on the military history of Killiney Bay in which the Laughlinstown Military Camp figured. For that aspect I had drawn heavily on an essay by Kevin Murray in the Dublin Historical Record. Kevin turned up for the talk and identified himself in the audience. I was in, quick as a shot, to give him full credit for the material I had used.



[l-r] John, Laura & Colin Watson, Rosamund & Patrick Smith
All direct descendants of William Watson except Laura who is married to Colin.

I was thinking about the nurseries on my way into the talk and it struck me that, despite it being on the route of my paper round, I had no recollection of ever delivering papers there.

After the talk I learned that the family had actually lived in Fortlands on the Killiney Hill Road so if they had got papers delivered that would have been on Maurice O'Connor's route.

Guess who lives in Fortlands now?

The Edge.

In fact three of the U2 four live in fairly close proximity in Killiney.

Fortunately I had left by then for my native Northside.

Wednesday, June 07, 2017

DUBLIN HISTORICAL RECORD


Dublin Historical Record - current cover
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The Dublin Historical Record is published by the Old Dublin Society (ODS). It publishes articles and other pieces on the history of Dublin and has been on the go now for nearly eighty years, 79 to be precise. It is published twice yearly and the 2017 Spring/Summer issue was launched last evening in the Oak Room of Dublin's Mansion House by the Deputy Lord Mayor.



Bernadine Ruddy
President Old Dublin Society Council

Bernadine Ruddy who presides over the ODS Council welcomed all present, including many of the contributors to the current issue. She thanked the Deputy Lord Mayor for the mayoralty's generosity in making the magnificent Oak Room in the city's Mansion House available for the occasion. She reminded the audience of the importance of the work of the ODS and of the Record's contribution to the discovery and logging of the city's history.



Séamas Ó Maitiú
Editor Dublin Historical Record

In introducing the current issue, Séamas Ó Maitiú, made particular reference to the journal's cover. For many years, if not from the beginning of time, this had consisted of a detail from John Speed's map of Dublin, though some concession was made to change by varying the background colour from time to time.


DHR cover, December 1977

When checking out my bookshelf to find an older issue to illustrate the earlier cover, I came across the issue for December 1977. A few things struck me. The journal was apparently published quarterly then and the price, 50p, was on the cover. I also noticed that Earnán de Blaghd was a member of the Council.

As it happened, this issue contained an article by yours truly on the History of Ballybrack in the Nineteenth Century. I must have been fierce energetic and academical in them days; the seven page article has almost four pages of footnotes, well endnotes actually.

Anyway, back to Séamas, who, in recent years started taking liberties with the cover, culminating in today's illustration of Howth harbour from an old postcard. This has great resonances for me as I lived the first four years of my life on the seafront there in The Gem. I'm looking forward to reading the article on Howth's marine past by Kevin Rickard.

In passing, Séamas told us that, in the evolving story of the cover during his editorship, the first and only person ever featured there was Brian Boru (courtesy of the Chapel Royal in Dublin Castle).

Another article I'm looking forward to is Cathy Scuffil's All Quiet on the Southern Front where she examines Dublin's South Circular Road, from every conceivable angle, on the eve of WWI. Cathy's master's thesis on this subject has already been published by Four Courts Press and I gather she is soon to embark on further academic research, the results of which I await with interest as I think my grand uncle may figure in it.



Rebecca Moynihan
Deputy Lord Mayor of Dublin

So let us pass on to the Deputy Lord Mayor who actually launched the journal. It has been a significant feature of the Dublin mayoralty in recent years that the Lord Mayor and Deputy Lord Mayor have not only turned up at city related events but they have also made the Oak Room available for significant Dublin related occasions, this being one of them.

Rebecca Moynihan has been an enthusiastic participant in all of this, as was the previous Lord Mayor, Críona Ní Dhálaigh. They have both shown great enthusiasm for the city's history and community development, and unlike some of our national Ministers, didn't really need a script at all, such was their enthusiasm for, and professional approach to, the subject.



Peter Geraghty
Winner of the Society Medal for 2016

Peter Geraghty was presented with the Society Medal for his article entitled Dublin's first automobiles - early steam carriage trials on the streets of Dublin, which appeared in last year's Spring/Summer issue of the Record. Peter was thrilled to be honoured for what he described as a labour of love.



Cathy Scuffil & Henry Fairbrother



Séamas networking



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